Thursday, June 17, 2010

ACI shares

I think the commission ended up doing the right thing here. Doesn't seem like a good idea to have the city own shares, even a small amount, of a private development group, even one that exists for the overall community good.

That said, some of the talk about how business and government shouldn't mix goes too far. Obviously government and business DO mix and need to mix. Look at Cowley First, where a public group promoting economic development gets funding from private businesses, who then have seat at the board to make decisions. The way it's set up provides for decision-making for the overall good of the county.

Other examples are redevelopment agencies inside cities and counties that work closely, even sometimes funding, private development if a larger public benefit can be found.

But with ACI, we had the potential of the city being a shareholder, or part owner, in a private, for profit company. Perhaps ACI should look at changing its model to a non profit, or even a public agency. The distrust, which appears to me unfounded, among the public, seems to be because of the way it operates. And, let's be honest, because ACI and Home National Bank had such close connections.

10 comments:

Anonymous said...

If you want to compare ACI to Cowley First?

Cowley First is a Public agency and represents all qualified beneficiaries of the services they provide!

What has ACI done to promote or help other businesses to develope in the City? Besides their own properties and those of their members? (Goff Ind. Park was in the County and the old developed part with the warehouses is still in the County!)

I think the answer is that they are for themselves FIRST and then for the City!
They are a for-Profit business and that is the way they should operate!
So don't be surprised when their deals are designed to benefit their shareholders!

But

It shouldn't be to the benefit of ACI and at the expense of some other party(ies) in the City and then with the help of the City or the taxpayers!

The role of Government is to support the Private Sector and promote competition!

Not to take sides or OWN IT!

Anonymous said...

I think the two no votes were the right thing to do. I am surprised that commissioner Snell would call for the vote so fast, but to have McDonald second the motion and try to once again ram something threw for his friend IS GETTING OLD.

Anonymous said...

Maybe it's time for people to realize that there is no inflexible template for government. I am convinced that most people who post or comment on these local blogs slept through their American Government and Constitution classes.

Government is adaptable and can be whatever its constituents - by majority vote in either a democracy or republic - determine it ought to be.

This is why we elect people to act as an evergreen rule making body. They redefine according to both what might work well and in response to what, in the past, has not.

Government has morphed so much from what it was when I was a child. It has changed so much from what it was when we were a fledgling AND IDEALISTICALLY NIAVE nation 230yrs ago.

Of course government has grown. But while you are griping about the size of government, check the numbers and see how its growth compares the swell of the population as reported by Decennial Census. Remember we began with only 13 colonies.

Maybe government has only kept pace with population. Is that a possibility? Can we at least explore that before we drone on and on about the evils of our government.

Meanwhile, I am thinking "Oh great. Another choice ripped away from us with the enforcement of the Mandatory seatbelt law."

I find it confusing that the same people who lament the current President's plan to require health insurance coverage for all citizens (they say it should be a matter of personal choice) are the same people who hail the rigid seatbelt laws (also a matter of personal choice).

Both have potential fatal consequences. Both are choices made by people of sound mind and body. Why is it ok for one to be a government edict and the other some horrid evil to be opposed?

Why is one of these choices more precious than another? Oops! I think I have already gotten off topic.

Anonymous said...

Why is one of these choices more precious than another? Oops! I think I have already gotten off topic.

I think you need to go buy yourself a copy of the June 28, 2010 edition of Time magazine!

The headline article is The Broken States of America!

In that article it oulines all the states that are seriously in the RED! No amount of spending due to stimulus will turn those States around economically!

Kansas isn't too bad comparatively except when you figure in the population! (Under 3 million)

Yep! We sure have morphed as a country - Right into Bankruptcy!

Keep those inside deals right on coming and we can even expedite the time it takes for insolvency at all levels of Government!

Oh and while your at it don't forget the additional burdens that have been placed on those States due to increased expense for Medicare by Obama-care!

Its a wreck about to happen - no seat belt or air bag will save us!

We certainly see the same situation in a diffent manor!

P.S. Isn't KPERS still unfunded by something like 8 billion dollars?
KU study called them Bankrupt!
Even they admit they can't invest their way out of that hole!

Lets see a total population of under 3 million - we will need to start taxing the unborn and if they can find a way possible the deceased! (Maybe even all living creatures?)

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
I think you need to go buy yourself a copy of the June 28, 2010 edition of Time magazine!

Silly boy (or girl) I don't need to go buy anything. I subscribe to Time magazine. I know this blows to shreds your presumed supremacy as the only well read person in the city/state/nation.

On the other hand, I am sure that reading for understanding instead of simply to bolster your argument will enlighten you that the state of the Union is not the result of any single presidency.

Also, any rag worth the time taken to read would advise that the policy changes of any president lag, in the most optimum times, a year or two behind their implementation. More likely, they lag years behind in economic and societal impact.

However, when one gets ones head out of their proverbial sand, they might find it interesting that there is so little of today's ills assigned to the most recent "Past President" including the glad handing and back patting between the Whitehouse and the major energy companies for nearly the entire first decade of the 21st century.

No one even considers the coincidence that the majors were realizing 6 consecutive years of "new record" profits from 2002 - 2008. In fact, only 9/11 interrupted the run but there were 7 of 8 years that the companies did well.

MEanwhile, YOU!! Mr. Well Read, paid through the nose for fuel prices, watched the housing market artificially inflate and almost artificially self-inseminate, pricing working class people out the home buying market.

You ignore that the banking industry policed itself and ran amok with programs such as the GSL for college students and the sub-prime housing loans.

Let's stop playing the idiot argument game where we pretend that someone really believes that the economy of a nation can be upended in six months by one president.

In fact, what's even more stupid is to pretend that we don't understand that Congress passes nothing into law in a month or two.

Finally, since I am placed in the position of defending President Obama, I amsick and tired of uninformed people and the sensationalism of the news media portraying the President should have done something to either prevent the reclessness of BP in the gulf or the foolish folly that his being there may have remedied a problem that simply was not reconcilable in short time.

How ignorant do we - as citizens - hae to be to let the media keep suggesting that the POTUS showing up in the gulf a month earlier would have mystically stopped the catastrophic flow of oil from an explosion and a rupture that exists a mile below the surface of the sea.

has all of civilization lost its concept of reality. A mile BELOW the surface of the sea.

Much of the cause and effect conjecture on here resembles an effortless 8th grade science report.

Covey says most people listen only to reply. few actually listen to understand and learn. Hence TV can inundate the airwaves with people shouting at the top of their lungs, no one (including the viewing audience listening) and everyone shouting their pointless points.

Anonymous said...

Get real!

Of course Your right-

About the housing crisis and Clinton - it took a few years and there were warnings during the Bush administration!

About Freddie and Fannie who some project may cost taxpayers 500 billion before they resolve the glut of housing and defaults!
All while it is 80% Govt. backed and Owned! (Gee, what form of Govenrment owns businesses and property?)

About Geithner and Obama giving 40% of the GM stock to The UAW then taking 60% as Govt. owned!
Then they (GM) take bankruptcy anyway and pay off their debt with borrowed money! (The UAW thanks you as a taxpayer and they really thank Obama!)

Your right about Obama, Pelosi and Reid who let the Unions and their cadillac healthcare plans - the ones he wanted to tax - get a few years of moratorium before those taxes apply! Money that was supposed to be applied toward the cost of his new healthcare plan!
(Now they say the plan will cost more than originally projected!)
Some how they morphed those figures?

About the fact that his real hard core supporters were livid when they didn't get a single payer plan and a totally Government run Hethcare bill! (But you just wait till the next election if its Democratically controlled with another Super Majority!)

About the fact that Obamacare will force more expenses onto the states and there will be concessions made to Medicare as the result of the competition for funding! (Those people are old anyway! Doesn't matter that they have fewer options at their age we will just decide for them and it doesn't matter if they played by the rules! Rules are made to be changed (morphed)!

About the enormous debt that is being compiled under Obamas watch -which will end with more Government control (decision making) and less Individual Freedoms!
(But somewhere in that plan there's favoritism applied though Government towards some and against others - guess who decides?)

And

Finally, about the fact that Obama and Co. see it their mission to destroy Capitalism and right all the wrongs in Society through Government control!

It won't take years this time to see what kind of damage those Socialist are doing and what it will do to the U.S.!

So, don't read all the news just follow them blindly -

He's still got Cap and Trade
and Comprehensive Immigration reform and a few other key programs to get pushed through unless ......

Anonymous said...

BTW: If you didn't quite understand that part about favoritism applied through Government?
While Individuals who have Private Sector 401K's or other retirement plans got "killed"
in 2008-2009!
The holders of those Unfunded Government pension plans will come out just FINE!

(They can even keep retiring early! While the Private Sector age and SS goes up! SWEET!)

Anonymous said...

Ok post @ 3:22 & of course 3:34, why don't you just run for President and straighten the country out.

Maybe, just maybe, you won't because you realize that a person doesn't even have to be sober, let alone intelligent, to cite a litany of problems and espouse the reasons why they won't work, are evil, will elad to the destruction of society as we know it.

What it takes to run for and serve as POTUS or any elected offfice is, first of all the guts to not be anonymous with everything you say. Then it takes thinking through to solutions.

Haven't read a single one of those in your rants. Just criticisms and your wisdom within your own wisdom. You demonstrate competency at multi-generational (or Administrational) blame. You are beyond mere mortal knowledge in prognostticating doom and destruction.

But not a single plausible solution in one sentence that you offer. Perhaps it was also you who declared, the sky is falling. The sky is falling. And indeed it is. One day, if you keep proclaiming it and live long enough it will fall. Even if you don't live long enough, it will fall and perhaps one of your non-institutionalized relatives will say - You know, he (she) was right.

Anonymous said...

What it takes to run for and serve as POTUS or any elected office is, first of all the guts to not be anonymous with everything you say. Then it takes thinking through to solutions.

I don't need to run for President or think through my solutions!

We just need to quit keeping failures in Politics, Business
and Economics ALIVE when they should FAIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Qiut letting things get too BIG to FAIL!
Quit propping them up or extending their duration!
Let them FAIL while they a small enough and before they can have an effect on everyone and everything else!


See, the answer wasn't all that hard - even for a BIG ol Liberal like YOU and a little conservative like me!

Anonymous said...

See, the answer wasn't all that hard - even for a BIG ol Liberal like YOU and a little conservative like me!

June 24, 2010 12:38 PM

Didn't see an answer in the whole rant. Just more blithering about what's wrong. The government did not make one industry too big fail. Bubba, you did it by patronizing them and spending your dollars with them.

Just like you whiners who complain about walmart. you chose to support them or their subsidiaries instead of the locals. You buy the prettier but less economical automobile and then complain both about the price of fuel and the recklessness of the President and his company drilling in the gulf coast.

Then, of course, you declare your holiness of conservatism, as if that is the cure all to everything and assume that you have a clue who you are even talking to.

People don't have to play your pedantic game of political labeling. Maybe there are just some of us who are fed up with folks, clueless about how politics really work and the fact that your bent on grabbing a cult label only makes you blind to what really hapens in government, whining about what THEY are doing to ME.

You, my friend are but a pawn in terms of your sophmoric political views. Whatever you spew on here is mindless drivel. The Big that you say are too big to fail took a nice slice of your income today. The took it in fuel costs, utility energy costs, and so many other crafty ways the the real culprits know how to deprive you of your money.

Think of it, how much are you tossing into the kitty to argue with bits and bytes on the internet. That's not free. Maybe if you took your brilliant self out of the house and stopped complaining about the government when your real financial burden is COX (a conglomerate) or ATT (another) etc.

Politics is the happy pill fed to infantile people's while capitalists, the robber barons move money from the masses to the few. Keep complaining about the government and figuring out presidential policy. Meanwhile ask yourself a couple of questions/

1) when you read the financials and see the billions made by the Big corporations ponder. please, where does that money come from.

2) how much did they get from you and your bubbas. Dude, it aint partisan policies. Late PResident Richard Nixon spoke it clearly: Follow the dollar.

Listen to him Bubba. Follow your dollar and you will better understand why you are bitter about not having enough.